Battle of the Minds: KIRA (Light) vs ZERO (Lelouch)

Re: Battle of the Minds: KIRA (Light) vs ZERO (Lelouch)

Postby Aeslay » April 11th, 2015, 7:11 pm

riquelme375 wrote:
Aeslay wrote:Kira refused the offer from Ryuk. Kira did not have Shinigami Eyes. Kira died because he refused to take Shinigami Eyes. If you're gonna give Light a new power, then it's only fair to say Lelouch should also get a new power, Code of Immortality(which he probably had, but let's leave that alone).


It's not "giving him a new power", its like how lelouch would kill everyone he knows. He didnt do it in the anime, so the mental ability to kill everyone he knows is also a "power he didnt have".


Unlike Light, Lelouch did have emotions. He would never kill someone close to him. Shirley is a great example of this. He made her forget about him rather than just kill her on spot.
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Re: Battle of the Minds: KIRA (Light) vs ZERO (Lelouch)

Postby T.O.R.N.A.D.O » April 11th, 2015, 7:21 pm

You wrote the exact same thing that I wrote in my previous post.. :P
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Re: Battle of the Minds: KIRA (Light) vs ZERO (Lelouch)

Postby Aeslay » April 11th, 2015, 7:26 pm

Yeah, I just wanted point how the thing with Shirley and how he almost never uses Geass to kill someone. :P
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Re: Battle of the Minds: KIRA (Light) vs ZERO (Lelouch)

Postby T.O.R.N.A.D.O » April 11th, 2015, 7:32 pm

Yeah but he does use them to kill unknown persons... :P
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Re: Battle of the Minds: KIRA (Light) vs ZERO (Lelouch)

Postby Aeslay » April 11th, 2015, 7:40 pm

Exactly, and in this case that unknown person is Kira.
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Re: Battle of the Minds: KIRA (Light) vs ZERO (Lelouch)

Postby riquelme375 » April 11th, 2015, 10:34 pm

I just want to remind you that light is a good guy, you can see it when he loses his memories and says he cant forgive kira, that comes to teach us that everybody can be evil in the end, and it depends on the circumstances.
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Re: Battle of the Minds: KIRA (Light) vs ZERO (Lelouch)

Postby Aeslay » April 12th, 2015, 12:23 am

I agree, he is an extremely nice guy. Not matter how wrong what he did was, in the end he was just trying make this world better. It seemed like he just started to enjoy the power a little too much, but really, he never used it for himself. I enjoyed the time when he didn't have his memories the most in the entire anime. But the time he had Death Note, he was still the same, except he murdered "evil" people instead of catching them. Everyone sees him as an evil guy because, well, he said it himself-

“If we catch Kira, he is evil. If he wins and rules the world, then he is justice.”

If he had succeeded, all those who he killed could be seen as a small sacrifice for everlasting peace. But he failed, and all those he killed died in vain.
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Re: Battle of the Minds: KIRA (Light) vs ZERO (Lelouch)

Postby T.O.R.N.A.D.O » April 12th, 2015, 5:28 am

Light becomes selfish when he thinks he got a superior power.. And that was exactly what happened..
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Re: Battle of the Minds: KIRA (Light) vs ZERO (Lelouch)

Postby sgn15 » April 13th, 2015, 5:51 am

Kira was willing to kill Sayu (Light's sister), while Zero was fighting for Nunnaly
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Re: Battle of the Minds: KIRA (Light) vs ZERO (Lelouch)

Postby T.O.R.N.A.D.O » April 13th, 2015, 7:50 am

I think Light loved his sister more than anyone else.. I don't recall that happening..
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Re: Battle of the Minds: KIRA (Light) vs ZERO (Lelouch)

Postby sgn15 » April 13th, 2015, 9:00 am

Sayu was kidnapped by Mello's group and Light was willing to kill his sister if and when the rescue operation and exchanging her for death note by his father went wrong. Yeah he did not have to kill his sister but the point was, he was ready to kill her, if ever.
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Re: Battle of the Minds: KIRA (Light) vs ZERO (Lelouch)

Postby T.O.R.N.A.D.O » April 13th, 2015, 9:36 am

Not really.. Light actually devised the plan to kill Mello instead by telling his father to take the eye deal..
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Re: Battle of the Minds: KIRA (Light) vs ZERO (Lelouch)

Postby sgn15 » April 13th, 2015, 10:04 am

That doesn't change the fact that Light once thought of sacrificing his sister. He said if ever the plan (of retrieving his sister) went wrong. He may have help prevent that because his dad did the eye deal, but if the situation still went wrong, he still would have to kill his sister (like he killed Mello's previous hostage).

My original point was the Light would willingly kill his sister in extreme and worst case scenarios and he also started being Kira for himself while Lelouch started his plan for revenge solely for his sister.
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Re: Battle of the Minds: KIRA (Light) vs ZERO (Lelouch)

Postby Aeslay » April 13th, 2015, 4:21 pm

He told his father to give up his life? I kinda don't remember what happened.
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Re: Battle of the Minds: KIRA (Light) vs ZERO (Lelouch)

Postby T.O.R.N.A.D.O » April 13th, 2015, 5:13 pm

Nope.. His father died by accident.. Him dying wasn't the part of the plan..
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Re: Battle of the Minds: KIRA (Light) vs ZERO (Lelouch)

Postby riquelme375 » April 14th, 2015, 1:32 pm

I remember C.C. telling lelouch that if nunnally opposes him he will have to kill her or it wont be fair towards the people he already killed, and him agreeing.
It was around episode 23-24.
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Re: Battle of the Minds: KIRA (Light) vs ZERO (Lelouch)

Postby T.O.R.N.A.D.O » April 14th, 2015, 6:51 pm

How is that supposed to happen if everything he was doing was for her? His sole aim was for her..
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Re: Battle of the Minds: KIRA (Light) vs ZERO (Lelouch)

Postby sgn15 » April 15th, 2015, 4:34 am

riquelme375 wrote:I remember C.C. telling lelouch that if nunnally opposes him he will have to kill her or it wont be fair towards the people he already killed, and him agreeing.
It was around episode 23-24.

Yes, but Lelouch follows his own plans though. His whole hatred for Britannia and his father was already there long before he got the Geass. His route to revenge was for Nunnally.
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